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There are a lot of blacks on our side than yours. You have a lot of white supremacists on your side.


Are you sure about that ?

Now granted, I'll admit my gun enthusiasm is out of the normal when you look at African American males, but when you actually get the chance to TALK to black males, many of them are pro-gun. Now I will say many black females are more anti-gun but most of the black males I have talked to about guns are either pro-gun or neutral on the issue.

Now I have met some anti-gun black males but most of them didn't know anything about guns and were actually interested in my opinion about them because I had a lot of knowledge on the issue of which I told them the truth.

You would be very surprised that blacks have many conservative values and it's even more so for foreign born blacks in the US. One of my friends is Haitian and is a staunch republican. Most blacks have conservative views as well as some liberal views just like most Americans. But when it comes to gun ownership (not gangs with guns or gun violence) many support the second amendment.

It seems like many blacks are anti-gun because the ones who are the loudest are Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton and of course they are anti-gun, and work for the white liberal elitist I may also add.

It is also interesting that many groups that have insisted on one gun per month, taxes on ammunition, and restrictive gun control have used the same words as the southern racists who implemented the black codes of the late 1800's. The wordings are almost the same.

gun control and racism

Just because whites are subject to the same laws of restrictive gun control in the areas where there are large black populations doesn't mean the law isn't racist.

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No, but when someone is homicidal, and they have a gun, they are more likely to be successful than someone with a knife. It all depends on the situation, in the home with domestic abuse it is a lot easier with a knife, but out on the streets it is much harder.


It is a lot easier for someone who is homicidal to murder with a gun than a knife. A hell of a lot easier, but then we have to ask ourselves; does that mean we should ban all guns to prevent this, which is where we are going with this issue. Of the anti-gunner's and sympathizers only 1% of that group would want that.

A good example is the Virginia Tech shooting. The maniac used a .22 and a 9mm rifle. They weren't assault weapons, not a 50 cal weapon, but were small caliber weapon. Because of this act, do we need to ban all 9mm and .22 caliber handguns and anything bigger in caliber ?

This board usually debates that balance point. Of which I am for making illegal fully automatic weapons, weapons like the M249 and B240 machine-guns but not semi-automatic weapons like the AR15 and civilian version of the AK-47 of which both can penetrate type 2 body-armor which is worn by most police. But a semi-automatic hunting rifle (civilian version of the M14) can penetrate the vest as well. I have a Remington700 (bolt action) hunting rifle that can penetrate type 2 body-armor from 600 meters but to ban that weapon would mean banning most rifles.

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Which asks the question of why a person needs a license to drive a car, but not to have a gun. I know the constitutional issues are a little bit difficult on this issue, and that an individual in theory should be able to get a gun without being licenses, but if the license was not prohibitive, ie, a person only had to pass a simple course that taught safty etc, then it should not be a problem.
Or, as i have said before, rejuvenate the unorganised militia, force people to be in it, make the time they have to serve very little, and it to include gun safety, target practice etc.


I see where you are going with this and I'm actually for licenses. Now in Illinois we have to have a FOID card, but the only requirement for this card is a background check. I know in Wisconsin you need to take a course on firearms before you can handle firearms or ammunition. But in Virginia all you need is a driver's license.

I would be supportive of even a national firearms license card, that like a driver's license where you could include licenses for conceal carry, class 3 license, and of course to get the license, you would have to take a firearms safety course for the basic section. For conceal carry of course it requires an extra class, and class 3 etc. etc. This would get rid of the multiple cards and wondering if you were able to carry in this state or that. I have a Florida conceal carry and a Utah one and I have to figure out which state I am legal in or not. It would satisfy your requirements and many pro-gunners requirements.

For instance when I got my driver's license it was the basic, but when I got my motorcycle, my license has an M on it to show an officer I am licensed to ride motorcycles. The card should be similar to that and of course I took a motorcycle safety course to get it.

The unorganized milita thing. NAW but I understand where you are going. You stressed safety classes and we are in tune with that issue. There are militas out there. But they are no where near the organization or funding of a National Guard or Army. Plus the militias and current US Army are volunteer organizations which even though the numbers are low, have people that WANT to be there; and it is far better to have a volunteer force than conscripts. (The Iraqi army was full of conscripts)

Also understand that many pro-gunners have been burned in the past so many are against any form of gun licensing. even a national firearms card or state one. Talk to pro-gunners and find out what their concerns are, and the top one would be gun confisgation. But that is because it has already happened with gun registration and/or licensing. I have even been told that the Illinois FOID card system was designed to restrict blacks from purchasing guns. I'll have to check on it more but from what I have seen, it wouldn't be too outrageous to think Daley wouldn't think that way.

A good instance is conceal carry in Massachusetts. There has never been a study to see the racial makeup of conceal carry holders in Massachusetts. I stress this state because one I lived there for 19 years, two the conceal carry is MAY issue and subject to approval by police, three I don't know any non-white holders of the license, and four we know Massachusetts in general is an anti-gun, elitist type of state.
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