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It is a lot easier for someone who is homicidal to murder with a gun than a knife. A hell of a lot easier, but then we have to ask ourselves; does that mean we should ban all guns to prevent this, which is where we are going with this issue. Of the anti-gunner's and sympathizers only 1% of that group would want that.


In a world without guns a homicidal person can more easily kill someone with a knife. And if somebody wants someone dead they WILL kill them, no matter what's illegal.

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A good example is the Virginia Tech shooting. The maniac used a .22 and a 9mm rifle.


PISTOLS!

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This board usually debates that balance point. Of which I am for making illegal fully automatic weapons, weapons like the M249 and B240 machine-guns but not semi-automatic weapons like the AR15 and civilian version of the AK-47 of which both can penetrate type 2 body-armor which is worn by most police.


Oh you did NOT just say what I think it is you said! If you were right here I'd slap you in the back of the head for what you just uttered.

What the hell is wrong with you!? You don't just decide that you're willing to negotiate your freedoms with these idiots. That's just offering up a sacrificial lamb to appease the wolves; it doesn't work because they won't stop until they get it all. You don't pick and choose, you keep it all!

With the way things are going we've got to hold onto all the firearms freedoms and rights that we have and fight to keep them. We can't afford to draw boundaries and lines of where we'd be willing to compromise, that's for the anti-gunners to do; to retreat and make offers to appease us!

What's your reasoning for being OK with machineguns being banned? Do you know how many people have been killed with legal machine guns? ONE! What's the necessity for banning them!?

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I would be supportive of even a national firearms license card, that like a driver's license where you could include licenses for conceal carry, class 3 license, and of course to get the license, you would have to take a firearms safety course for the basic section. For conceal carry of course it requires an extra class, and class 3 etc. etc. This would get rid of the multiple cards and wondering if you were able to carry in this state or that. I have a Florida conceal carry and a Utah one and I have to figure out which state I am legal in or not. It would satisfy your requirements and many pro-gunners requirements.


Ah hell you ARE the enemy! Do you know how the DC gun ban came about!? You had to register your guns and have a license to own them, and then DC decided to stop the registration of handguns in 1976, so automatic gun ban.

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Also understand that many pro-gunners have been burned in the past so many are against any form of gun licensing. even a national firearms card or state one. Talk to pro-gunners and find out what their concerns are, and the top one would be gun confisgation. But that is because it has already happened with gun registration and/or licensing. I have even been told that the Illinois FOID card system was designed to restrict blacks from purchasing guns. I'll have to check on it more but from what I have seen, it wouldn't be too outrageous to think Daley wouldn't think that way.


You bet your ass! You anti-gunners have exploited licensing and registration and turned it into a defacto gun ban before in the past, there's no way in hell that we're gonna let you do any such thing on the national level.
"the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen." Warren vs. The District of Columbia.