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PISTOLS!


That was a typeo, I meant pistols, not rifles.

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Oh you did NOT just say what I think it is you said! If you were right here I'd slap you in the back of the head for what you just uttered.

What the hell is wrong with you!? You don't just decide that you're willing to negotiate your freedoms with these idiots. That's just offering up a sacrificial lamb to appease the wolves; it doesn't work because they won't stop until they get it all. You don't pick and choose, you keep it all!

With the way things are going we've got to hold onto all the firearms freedoms and rights that we have and fight to keep them. We can't afford to draw boundaries and lines of where we'd be willing to compromise, that's for the anti-gunners to do; to retreat and make offers to appease us!

What's your reasoning for being OK with machineguns being banned? Do you know how many people have been killed with legal machine guns? ONE! What's the necessity for banning them!?


I have never backed away from my insistence on banning fully-automatic weapons. I don't truly see any reason for the use of fully-automatic weapons for civilian use. Not even for self-defense.

In the military fully-automatic fire is used for suppression of your enemy, to keep their heads down while you either fall back or assault an objective. Military weapons do have this feature but isn't used normally because it eats up ammunition. In fact the M16/M4 has been adjusted to three round burst for that reason.

Semi-automatic fire has many uses among civilian rifles and civilian versions of military rifles.

1) Self-defense because a 30 round magazine in an assault weapon can be a great self-defense tool.

2) semi-automatic fire is more accurate even when firing as fast as you can.

3) There are marksmanship tournaments that use the semi-automatic feature and for basic marksmanship practice and MOUT (military operations in urban terrain) training semi-automatic fire allows shooter to practice these, unlike bolt action which does not.

If fully-automatic fire weapons are allowed to civilians, it also means that civilian can have M249's and B240 machineguns. The M249 has a 200 round drum and the B240 uses an open cased ammunition. The B240 is the replacement for the M60 an is a two person manned machinegun.

Currently right now machineguns are illegal and if that rule was set back we would see a rash of people acquiring "heavy weapons". Would it mean criminals would get them ? Probably. Does it have any use among civilian hands, NO. The only reason I can see it in civilian hands is maybe a gun store renting time on such weapons for people to shoot at a range to give people experience on shooting "heavy weapons" but other than that there is no reason.

This is where me and pro-gunners differ, and I invite any pro-gunner to give me a reason, any reason for the allowance of machine-guns.

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Ah hell you ARE the enemy! Do you know how the DC gun ban came about!? You had to register your guns and have a license to own them, and then DC decided to stop the registration of handguns in 1976, so automatic gun ban.


I think you didn't understand my thread. I never mentioned registration. Your talking about gun registration, what I am talking about is a gun license similar to a driver's license.

Currently right now if you have a conceal carry permit you need to understand what states you can carry in and if you travel that is a pain in the butt. In fact we recently had a person arrested at the sears tower who had a CCW license but didn't know about Illinois, where CCW is illegal.

My option would allow licensed people to carry concealed in every state and the license card would circumvent local laws like Chicago and DC for those who decide to get CCW on their national firearms card.

Similar to background checks those with records would of course be denied, while those with clean records and able to pass the safety program, (which was a concern of OMDP), are able to attain CCW privileges.

Now I also said the license could also be expanded for people to have class 3 licenses, but like CCW they would have to go through the necessary training to have such weapons. But that section can be debated, because I have yet to hear a valid reason for anyone to have fully-automatic rifles.
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