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Jul 19 07 8:59 AM
Quote:What you are saying is not clear to me. Remember this, many people think that "keep and bear arms" means hunting, carry and conceal, walking into a store with a gun, walking around doing what you like with a gun except shooting at people. Not so. You need to be more precise with your definition of "keep and bear arms" because many people use it in many different ways.
Quote:The problem here is that i dont believe in "rights" and it is not important in this debate at all. WIth or without "rights", the second amendment protects something. That is the debate here, what the constitution does and does not do.
Quote:What is the difference between humans and animals???
Quote:Now you can come on here and say you have the "right" to this that and the other, yet when i say a dog has the "right" to this that and the other you say i am wrong.
Quote:I bet, every reason you can give me for why you have "rights", i can say the same about a dog
Quote:Which would you rather have? SOmeone is attacking you, you can either have the "right" to a club to defend yourself with, or just a club to defend yourself with.
Quote:B) What the BoR does say, is important, the fact that you say you have the "right" to it is less important. As i said, if someone is beating you and you say you have the "right" to self defence, it means nothing. YOu still get an arse whooping!!
Quote:But then the government may have banned you having the club. What good is your "right" then?? What does it mean?
Quote:So if i say something is part of my religion, then i can do it, murder etc? Hell no.
Quote:Also, you say that the govt infringes upon the "rights" of others, so what? What does it matter? What matters is that people are willing to fight the govt, they are prepared to act, not simply to moan because they claim they have something.
Quote:The fact is, what really happens is this. The govt through the court system decides this person is guilty, the govt being restrained by the BoR and the checks and balances of power can only do certain things, they say a person cannot have guns, they say that they are limited in freedom etc.
Quote:Carry and conceal CAN BE licensed, yet a "right" cannot be licensed. Either, carry and conceal laws which are supported by the NRA are unconstitutional, or the 2A does not protect carry and conceal.
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