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But the issue i see as more important is that of the safety of society as a whole, as this is the best way of ensuring that less people are attacked in the first place.


We've already got the "society as a whole" concept in place, you've seen how well that works. For that to work you have to disregard people on the individual level and worry only about the masses and not care if a single individual gets killed because their amount is insignificant.

That's how things are. The courts have stated for decades when it comes to the police that their job isn't to protect individuals, only to enforce the laws and protect society as a whole. That means you're on your own.

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The thing that people trip about with celebrities having bodyguards isn't that they have them, but it is because they talk about security without guns but then have bodyguards to protect them. It's the hypocritical aspect that burns many people up.


Rosie has stated, publicly in fact, something along the following: "I think there should be a law in America stating that nobody can own a gun. Only the police should have guns. If you own a gun then you go to jail."

Yet under the Rosie Law her bodyguards, who aren't police but regular people, would go to jail as well. That's the thing about celebrities and politicians, they think that they're above everybody else and that laws shouldn't affect them because they're popular. They've become fooled into thinking that they're cut from a higher quality material than people who hold a 9 to 5 job and raise a family the regular way, who can't afford bodyguards.

And when confronted with their own stupidity, they have to gall to actually claim "Well I was talking about other people, not people like me" as if they're so special and better capable of things than other people are.

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Also you mentioned Rosie O'Donnell and her children's safety as well as Rebbecca Peterson's safety.


PETERS! Rebecca Peters!

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The problem is they want safety at the expense of the rights of people who desire firearms. They would say, I don't feel safe with you having those guns, so let's take YOUR guns away so i can feel safe. That is what pisses off many shooters.


No, they just want disarmerment, they don't care about the safety of others.

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But that does not take into account any other information, like why these people feel they need to have guns, as i have explained.


They say they don't like guns, but at the same time have bodyguards with guns. Guns that they actually paid for but claimed they don't want guns. That's entirely hypocritical.

If you think guns are the problem then go unarmed and without bodyguards. Stop playing to both sides of the argument you stupid pansies.

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Would you want someone taking away a right you have for another to feel safe ?


Actually that already happened.

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As my argument goes, it is often better to have a safer enviroment than a place where you can defend yourself and are much more likely to. It is not as simple as that, i know.


Better to have a "safe" environment, than a place where you CAN defend yourself?

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I would just say that many americans have a distorted view of the world regardless of their political views. Also i would say your liberals would probably be conservative in the UK.
Here i suppose i am considered a raving liberal, in the UK i am probably considered a conservative liberal, a bit like blair


I'll see if I can send you my old mayor for evaluation.

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It depends, you know, clinton was the only president to be considered a post war non war president. The cold war lasted up till Bush senior and then came clinton, and dubya has gotten the US into one of the two worst war situations in the history of the US (in terms of discontentment of the people, rather than deaths).


Clinton was also a draft dodger.

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Conspiracy theories are for people who are just bored with life.


What the fuck?!
"the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen." Warren vs. The District of Columbia.