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You yourself said that while you have less deaths you have more crimes.


We have more REPORTED crimes, as i have said myself, you have your DGU figures which do not get counted as crimes, whereas those unsuccessful crimes in the UK are much more likely to be counted.

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And now we find a survey that states that 1 in 3 people in Britain owns a weapon for their own personal defense.


How many people in the UK own a sharp knife???? 99% perhaps, for cutting meat etc, that can be a weapon for self defence if you choose it to be.

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It's not like in America where 1 in 3 people owns a gun, because while they do have them for self-defense they've also got them for hunting a sports.


So all individuals go hunting "sports" do they? YOu might actually think that a lot of people have guns only for their personal security.

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But in the UK people own stuff like cricket bats, golf clubs, pieces of piping and other blunt instruments that aren't linked to sports.


cricket bats, golf clubs etc are actually useful, while i think golf a complete waste of time people do use them, and if they just happen to see it as a weapon as well, then that is their problem, that does not prove anything though, does it.
I am still not sure what your point is here.

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Stop brining up the 100% freedom crap, that's not the argument.


THE argument??? There is only one argument??
The point is reddbecca, many people believe they have 100% freedom. When someone says, at which point should we stop taking "rights" or freedoms, you have to actually know what you are talking about. If you come out and say that everyone should just be free and that is that, it means nothing.

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How exactly is she a target that's worth anymore than anybody else?


People are targets for many reasons, opinions, money, or just because a nut case has see you on TV.
A lot of people talk bad about her, you might think that one of those is a nut case who wants to kill her.
She might think that as well and probably does not want to die, so she had bodyguards.

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Theoretically speaking, I'd much rather prefer the second option, and for a number of reasons.


Because you are attempting to prove a point, and if you said the first, you would be *****ed

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The first options, a place with no guns and no crime, sounds like the impossible utopia many people dream of.


Yeah, but i was talking theoretically, the whole point was to exaggerate.

So your whole reason for not accepting a theoretical argument, is that it is not possible, yet it is a theoretical arguement, it does not need to be possible, like who is best, superman or spiderman.

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Along with guns comes options. There might be a chance of crime but there's also a chance of better survival in other instances where crime isn't the issue. Say you're struck with a natural disaster like Katrina,


You know, you live in a supposed civilised nation. YOu government refused help from cuba!!!! The fact is, in the event of a disaster you should not need a gun, you should vote out all the deadwood in govt.

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Draft dodgers were viewed as traitors and unpatriotic and were jailed. He hid in Canada, but still got to be president for two terms despite this. With that kind of record you shouldn't even be allowed to run for president since you abandoned your country.


So it is better to hide in the national guard than in canada is it???
It is better to fight in a wrong war than to hide???

Imagine the scenario. YOur commanding officer says you must kill a load of women and children. To not do so you be to be a traitor and unpatriotic, to do it would be to be totally wrong, what do you do. Follow your instincts or you nationality????

Maybe clinton felt that vietnam was wrong, and avoided making a vietnam.
Maybe bush was just a wimp with connections, got himself an easy posting and missed out on vietnam but is willing to put other peoples kids into such a situation.
WHICH IS BETTER??????

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You don't wanna go to war, fail the physical.


What is the difference???

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What do you mean conspiracy theorists are just people who are bored with life? Where do you get that crap?


I mean, if you start thinking that diana was killed by monkies sent from mars, then you are probably bored of life.