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Oh, so you're admitting that criminals will continue to obtain firearms illegally even if everybody is disarmed.


Such a vague sentence. Do you mean ALL criminals will get firearms, so if i commit fraud, the day after i am released from prison a gun will just be lying there in my bed next to me???

Or do you mean that some criminals will get firearms?

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You're admitting that banning guns won't do anything for the law-abiding.


Except that in the in the UK we have a 1/4 murder rate, which means a lot more "law-abiding" are not getting murdered.

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You're admitting that the anti-gunners are wrong in their claims that all we need is more gun control,


Again, a vague sentence. What is "more gun control"?? You seem to think of it as a house, you start with one brick and keep on adding until you have finished. Gun control is not like that.

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because you said that the criminals will continue to go through the efforts of getting their guns through illegal channels.


In the UK we have more guns not because the police have more guns, but because we have new international gangs who are bringing guns into the country and other gangs want to compete with these.
The key to this is not to allow the "law-abiding" to get guns, are they going to be able to compete with these gangs? No, they will just end up getting themselves killed, the thing to do is to target the gangs, make sure they are not bringing guns into the country, make sure they get put away for a long time, etc etc.

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Even if that's the case, they have a much higher crime rate. You might be less likely to die over there, but you face a much higher chance of being the victim of a violent crime even though nobody has guns.


You have to look at it from this point of view as well. The chances of being an official victim of violent crime is higher, but then you have 2 million or so DGUs of which most are probably violent crimes, which are NOT reported, which puts your violent crime levels far above that of the UK.

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If you wanna be taken seriously, if you want to be considered intelligent, stop talking gun control and reducing the rates of "gun violence".


Yeah Galileo, you've been told!!!! Go try and be as serious as reddbecca and go and try and become as intelligent as her. :rollin