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But i have not had to. I probably would defend myself, but hopefully i never will have to.


Well then bloody good for you!

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That is not what i said, i am saying that i dont have to, because the situations where a person needs to defend themselves in the UK and europe in general are much lower than in the US.


@#%$ and you know it!

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Take our crime rates and compare them, you get a similar story, some are slightly higher, some are slightly lower. What we are missing though are all those supposed DGUs which are not reported, about 2 million of them apparently.


The crime rates that stop counting after a person has been victimized more than five times?

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And i have decided that, that is why i dont live in the USA. In the US you are more likely to be attacked than in the UK.


And in Africa you're far more likely to be attacked. What's your point?

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Or you can decide not to be attacked in the first place. I dont need to show if i am weak or strong, i just dont want to be attacked.


You don't get that option, that decision isn't available. The decision of whether or not you're attacked is in the hands of the criminal.

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Of course, but then what is your point to this statement?


You have a better chance of actually living if you've been attacked and you have a gun in your possession for your own defense.

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That not everyone wants a gun, so there are more guns in society, and those who do not want a gun are much more at risk than if they were in the UK.


How many of the two thirds are underaged? How many are poor and can't afford to spend $500 on a gun? How many live in areas where they CAN'T own a gun?

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YOu have the choice to prevent crime before it happens. That is why in europe there is often less crime.


You do NOT have that choice! You as an individual have no choice in playing any part in preventing crime before it happens, beacuse that option is impossible on the individual level!

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Like you I haven't had to defend myself or a loved one either and I have lived in DC, Chicago, NYC and Miami.


Yeah well I HAVE had to defend myself, multiple times. I've had to defend myself with a gun before on several occasions. And if I didn't have it I'd be DEAD!

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So you say there is more violent crime but less people are dying. That must be because victims of crime in the UK are better at defending themselves against violent crime.


You aren't legally allowed to defend yourself in the UK. If you hit too hard the criminal can sue you. If you use a cricket bat you go to jail. If you kick them to the ground it's a charge of assault against you.

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And they don't have guns so you just shot down your argument about needing guns for self defense.


I've already torn down your cohort Gilligan regarding Japan as not being a developed nation but rather a communist nation. I can disembowel you just as easily, but it wouldn't do any good because you never read any of my posts.

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Of course i would do what i thought best in the situation, but that does not change the fact that i can look at the whole thing from a wider perspective.


That's all fine and well, but you don't have that option in real life. Out there in the real world where you encounter a violent situation you literally have less than one second to make a decision that will forever affect the way life plays out for you.

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Of course you cant, and i am not against self defence, carry and conceal or any of these things. What i am against are gun owners turning around and saying that they have nothing to do with criminals getting guns.


WE DON'T! There's no proof supporting that we're contributing to criminals; at least not those of us that actually abide by the laws.

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It may not be something direct, but certainly by not wanting laws to be changed to make it harder for criminals to get guns, then they are passively participating.


By law criminals are absolutely and unquestionably forbidden from owning guns. By law any criminal found in possession of even one single ammunition round HAS to go back to prison for another five years. You can't get harder than that without using the death penalty.