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Jul 5 07 10:37 PM
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Jul 5 07 11:02 PM
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Jul 6 07 4:49 AM
Quote:Will this incident encourage more criminals to carry guns? Probably because they will feel the need to protect themselves against the possibility of encountering armed victims. So this so called good Samaritan may be creating more problems than he solves in the long run.
Quote:It starts an arms race because criminals feel more of a need to arm themselves if they know they are more likely to encounter people who are armed. And criminals have the advantage of surprise so a gun benefits a criminal more than a law abiding citizen in a violent situation.
Jul 6 07 10:33 AM
Jul 6 07 10:59 AM
Quote:I think what galleliao1663 was talking about was the fact of escalation. He is more afraid that when people start protecting themselves the criminals will start increasing their arsenal.
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Jul 6 07 4:18 PM
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Jul 7 07 2:57 AM
Quote:Criminals will ALWAYS have guns and they'll always be armed!
Quote:Look at Britain, look at Japan. Do they still have gun crime? Yes. Do criminals have guns while honest people don't? Yes. Are criminals using them even though they don't need to?
Jul 7 07 7:27 AM
Jul 7 07 9:02 AM
Quote:And why have most of the police in the UK been traditionally disarmed? It's because they feared that being armed would encourage criminals to own firearms. If criminals know they may face an armed policeman they are more likely to go to the trouble of obtaining a firearm.
Quote:And the UK has a much lower gun crime and homicide rate than the US.
Quote:How well would disarming the police work in the US? Well, there are already a lot of criminals with firearms in the US so it's probably too late.
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Jul 8 07 9:40 PM
Quote:The Missing Link:Even if that's the case, they have a much higher crime rate. You might be less likely to die over there, but you face a much higher chance of being the victim of a violent crime even though nobody has guns.
Jul 9 07 1:04 AM
Quote:Oh, so you're admitting that criminals will continue to obtain firearms illegally even if everybody is disarmed.
Quote:You're admitting that banning guns won't do anything for the law-abiding.
Quote:You're admitting that the anti-gunners are wrong in their claims that all we need is more gun control,
Quote:because you said that the criminals will continue to go through the efforts of getting their guns through illegal channels.
Quote:Even if that's the case, they have a much higher crime rate. You might be less likely to die over there, but you face a much higher chance of being the victim of a violent crime even though nobody has guns.
Quote:If you wanna be taken seriously, if you want to be considered intelligent, stop talking gun control and reducing the rates of "gun violence".
Jul 9 07 2:47 PM
Quote:Yeah Galileo, you've been told!!!! Go try and be as serious as reddbecca and go and try and become as intelligent as her.
Jul 9 07 6:16 PM
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Jul 10 07 11:21 AM
Quote:And why have most of the police in the UK been traditionally disarmed? It's because they feared that being armed would encourage criminals to own firearms. If criminals know they may face an armed policeman they are more likely to go to the trouble of obtaining a firearm. And the UK has a much lower gun crime and homicide rate than the US. Reddbecca might want to take time out of her rantings to consider this. How well would disarming the police work in the US? Well, there are already a lot of criminals with firearms in the US so it's probably too late.
Quote:The desire for people to have guns in the UK is far lesser than in the US.
Jul 10 07 2:06 PM
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Jul 10 07 3:44 PM
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Quote:Criminals have guns because they're scared. They need to be made more scared than they are now. They need to be forced to come to a realization that the very next target they choose might just put a bullet between their eyes in their own defense!
Jul 10 07 7:47 PM
Jul 10 07 8:04 PM
Quote:Actually criminals have guns so they have power over the people they want to rob steal. It's about power and the assurance that they have more power than the people they want to rob.
Quote:If you listen to Galleliao1663, he thinks that the victim should lessen his ability to defend himself, in order for the criminals to lessen his firepower or ability to rob.
Quote:But I'm pretty sure he wants you redbecca or you ThenameisBill to lessen your ability to defend yourself, but I'm pretty sure he will carry a gun while you remain disarmed. Elitists don't want you to have guns because only they feel they are responsible enough to have them. You may shoot yourself.
Quote:Also, take this from somebody who lived in a "gun free city" for six years, meaning Washington DC. By law all the citizens are supposed to be disarmed, and by law they aren't supposed to have weapons. A rifle at most but must stay in house and unasembled, but on the street law-abidng citizens are disarmed period, but do you see the criminals walking around without guns. Nope.
Jul 11 07 1:47 AM
Quote:Exactly. They know that if they weren't armed then more people like me would be more willing to beat the living crap out of them. Ergo the criminals are scared of actually comitting a violent crime when they have nothing to back up their threats, because there ARE people like me who would take the opportunity and fight back and most likely win.
Quote:A fact of life, get it through your heads anti-gunners. You're wrong, you've always will be wrong, and you'll continue to be wrong until the day you die, or forever renounce your anti-gun ways and admit publicly that you were WRONG and will never try such a stance again!
Jul 11 07 3:18 AM
Quote:Now what is that person going to do when I come for her.
Quote:To be honest about this issue that is very disturbing is that most of the people that want gun control seem to be black or white liberals.
Quote:Also another thing that is very disturbing to me about anti-gun groups isn't that they are anti-gun. But anti-self-defense.
Quote:Has Galleliao1663, OMDP, or Defenderofliberty ever talked about unarmed self-defense in any way as a method or replacement for the lack of gun ownership ? I have never heard them say anything on the matter.
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